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2019. Laybets.co.uk web site closure.
I will be closing my laybets.co.uk web site shortly.
I put my web site
laybets.co.uk web site
together to try to promote a few laying spreadsheets, but the
price of web site hosting is going up and up each year.
I never got laybets.co.uk up the Google rankings, so that web
site is no longer worth the £££ cost.
Spreadsheets on there were always available on my other web
My spreadsheets are listed here :-
2018. Free calculator for working out the strategies used
in YouTube football
I expect that like me, you may have problems keeping up with
football trades in YouTube videos.
If there isn't a description at the beginning of a footy trading
video of what is about to be demonstrated, we can easily get
lost trying to keep up with the trade, give up, and move on to
That's what I end up doing, . . . far too often.
To get around those problems, I put a spreadsheet together so
that I could work out exactly what scores were being traded.
Armed with that sheet and possibly pen and paper, things become
quite a bit clearer in YouTube videos.
The theory is that If I can see what the opening set up is and
then what happens in the trade after that, maybe I can get more
out of Youtube videos.
I might even be able to get some ideas from other traders.
Yes, . . . . I put this sheet together to work out the
strategies being used by other traders . . an attempt to pick
their brains a bit . . . Lol..
The sheet covers quiet a few
markets, but doesn't get beyond the scores covered in the
Correct Score market.
It doesn't cover the Correct Score 2 market with scores of 4-0
4-1 etc. so if a trader uses that market, there is a bit of a
"Grey Area" that the sheet doesn't cover.
I had an e-mail enquiry last week
from a chap who needed to track the progress of his trade over a
range of different football markets.
Initially, I thought I didn't have a suitable sheet for that,
but realized that this sheet would show what he needed to see.
His enquiry prompted me to chuck an on-line calculator together
using that spreadsheet.
I put a video together today to describe my "Monitor Footy
Markets" free calculator.
View my efforts here
on my Free Calculators web page.
As always, good luck with your
trades, and I hope you enjoy dissecting the occasional video
trade, and maybe a webinar trade here and there,
2018. The Submarine Team - - "Dive. Dive. Dive
!!!" . . . . and subtitles.
I hope you are having a profitable World Cup.
Television coverage now shows plenty of stats during every game.
If those stats included the number of dives by individual
players, that might shame those players and cut out the pathetic
Perhaps bookies could open a book for the "Submarine Team Of The
Top of the Submarine Team league table for me so far by quite a
wide margin is Brazil.
Can we have "No More" . . . . . from Mr. Neymar please ?
I sent a couple of suggestions to The BBC yesterday for their
World Cup coverage.
I asked that their pundits could nominate their Submarine
Team . . Dive, dive, dive !!!
Also I asked for subtiltles showing the words of National
Some National Anthems make the first verse of our "God save the Queen" look a bit
People in other countries sing about their Motherland, and call
their countrymen to arms to defeat an enemy etc.
All very patriotic and applicable to defeating the opposition.
I wonder what the Moaris sing about when they do their Haka. . .
Check out the "Hairy legs" bit near the end via this link. .
. . . Lol.
I wonder what the Japanese, Argentines Spaniards, Nigerians,
Croatians, etc are singing about ?
Come on BBC, put us in the picture with some subtitles and make
National Anthems interesting instead of a "Reach for the remote"
Good luck with the footy trades, Howard.
2018. Combine the Each Way market with Win & Place
It has been quite a while since my previous post, but I have
still been putting spreadsheets together.
Today, I uploaded a spreadsheet package of 4 Horse Racing files
that I have had for quite a long time for combining 3 markets,
Each Way in Betfair with Win & Place.
These sheets show the staking for a Hedge of the 3 markets, with
commission built into the profit & loss calculations.
Trade a single runner and there are 3 possible outcomes for
1. Hit a winner also includes hitting a place of course.
2. Your horse is placed.
Dutch more than one runner, in the Win market, there is the 4th
possible outcome of "Winner only" . . . without hitting the
Trade just a single runner, and you don't need to worry about
the complication of that 4th possible outcome.
The spreadsheet package includes
sheets for Bet Each Way & lay Win & lay Place . . . . or Lay
Each Way & bet Win & bet Place.
There are files for deciding on your own stakes, or other files
that work the staking out for you, biasing the staking to favour
one or more possible outcomes over the others.
Just as with any bet and lay of odds within Betfair, we need to
get favourable odds to show a profit, either by offering to bet
& lay, or by trading an odds movement so that we bet high and
lay low for a profit after commission has been deducted from any
A description of these trades is
Combine Horse Markets web page with a video.
When I have looked at trading these 3 markets, I have found that
getting matched in the E/W market can be a problem.
Although the Each Way market odds need to change to keep pace
with Win & place, things can be a bit slow and there may be gaps
between the Each Way bet and lay odds.
If you decide to have a bash at combining these 3 markets, my
suggestion is to get matched in E/W before trying to get matched
in Win & Place, so that the E/W market doesn't let you down.
As always, good luck with your trades,
December 2017. "Do
it ALL in Correct Score" videos.
I am hoping to put a few videos together to show how to trade a
few different strategies just within Correct Score instead of
across 2 or more markets.
The idea is to demonstrate how we might save on commission and
therefore increase profits.
The first of my "Do it ALL in Correct Score" videos is
on my Free Calculators web page.
just below the Commission Rate calculator.
Look for the 2nd of the 2 videos so far in the play list.
As always, good luck if you have a go at that,
Just how BIG is your commission rate ?
I would guess that most of us who have traded football have bet
and layed more than one market in the same game.
If we do that and make a profit in one market, but a loss in
another we will definitely be paying commission at a BIG
Today, I uploaded a free on-line calculator that can be used to
see exactly what commission rate we have hit in trades that
involve more than one market.
View my efforts here
on my Free Calculators web page.
Input the profit or loss for each of your separate markets, and
any commission that you have paid.
The sheet then works out your commission rate for the whole
trade across your markets.
Hit a trade with a winning market plus a losing market, and it
doesn't make peasant reading . . . Lol.
Just a simple bet and lay in one market with a small insurance
bet in another can have a drastic impact on your commission
I hope to put a video
or 2 up pretty soon to demonstrate the calculator inputs, and
then the effect that commission can have on a few innocent
looking bet and lay trading strategies.
If you have got into the habit of betting and laying your way
through a football match using several different markets, that
calculator may provide you with a shock or two . . . Lol.
Whilst your football commission
rate may make your eyes water a little, Betfair must laughing
all the way to the bank,
November 2017. How to meet bookie turnover
and show a profit on top.
It is quite some time since I last bet with a bookie, but the
other day, I decided to take a look at a few bookie sign-ups and
Things certainly ain't what they used to be.
A few years ago, bookies were very generous with their refunds
and bonus payments, but these days things are a lot tighter.
Also, some of the turnover requirements for new sign-ups are
I wouldn't get involved with turnover such as 10 times the
deposit, or maybe 6 times the deposit plus the bonus, but a
sensible turnover amount is ok.
If you don't have a strategy for dealing with bookie turnover,
this is how I go about it :-
Bet and lay your qualifying bet in
the normal way.
When you trade (bet and lay) the free bet, make sure you trade
When you place your lay to equalize your free bet trade, reduce
your lay stake by £1, or maybe £2,. depending on the size of the
That will reduce the profit from your successful lay by £1 or £2
if you hit a loser.
Hit a loser and you should have
no turnover to meet as you will have lost your free bet with the
bookie, but check the T & C's for that.
If you hit a winner, your bet winnings with your bookie will be
bigger than your lay payout.
If your runner was at odds of around 11.0, and you reduced your
lay by £1, you will have close to an extra £10 of winnings with
your bookie compared to the reduced payout on your lay.
The effect of that is that you have an extra £10 to play with in
your bookie account, or at least your Betfair account has gone
down by £10 less than it normally would have.
However you choose to look at it, your overall trade is £10
You can now go ahead and bet and
lay several trades at short odds
to meet the bookie
turnover using a close match
of bet and lay odds as normal,
Each bet and lay will probably cause you a small loss, but when
the turnover has been met, you should still be in profit if you
have reduced the free bet lay sufficiently.
Keep records of your trades and you will see that this method
Always aim to hit losers with your bookies and most of the time,
you won't need to meet any bookie turnover, but one day you will
hit a winner.
If you don't take precautions, meeting the turnover will cost
you and you may find yourself looking at a
red trade overall..
If turnover is involved, lay just a small amount less when
trading your free bet, and you can come out smelling of roses
instead of landing yourself in the brown stuff.
Also, before you tackle any
trades that involve bookie turnover, make sure you have plenty
of cash available in your Betfair account to cover the lays
required if you need to meet the turnover. . . . . . . You may
hit winners doing the turnover at short odds, so there could be
several lay payouts.
Run out of cash, and your money will be stuck in the bookie
I hope that is ok, and good luck
with meeting your turnover requirements if you have any,
November 2017. Hedge across
3 markets with
I have had a spreadsheet for quite some time that shows the
effect of commission deductions across 3 separate markets.
A few weeks ago, a spreadsheet customer enquired about a sheet
showing commission deductions in his football trades, so today,
I have uploaded that sheet to
my football web site.
Input matched bets and lays that we have in Betfair or Betdaq
and the sheet shows our position in each separate market after
commission deductions, plus our position across all markets
combined for a view of our whole trade after commission.
Have you ever traded out with a small profit in one of your
football markets, only to see it wiped out or greatly reduced by
commission due to losses in other footy markets in the same
I would guess that lots of us have had that experience.
Well this sheet shows what is happening throughout your whole
If you trade football across 2 or
more markets, you certainly won't be paying as little as 5%
As you know, winnings in one market are not combined with losses
in another market by Betfair before commission deductions, so if
we trade using more than one market
we are likely to pay the full whack of commission on winnings in
one market, with losses in a 2nd or 3rd market not taken off
before commission is deducted.
There is only one winner here of course - - - - - the Betting
It certainly ain't you and me !!!
I will have more on this
commission topic, and what we can do about it, later . . . Lol,
October 2017. Exact number of goals odds . . . Free
calculator updated to show both bet and lay odds.
My original Exact Goals free calculator
on my Free Calculators web page
only had input for one side of the odds.
That didn't look very good, so I have expanded the calculator to
show both bet and lay odds.
I've also updated the video.
October 2017. Exact number of goals odds . . . on-line
Exact Goals = The exact number of goals to be scored in a
A few weeks
ago, I started to look at odds for the Exact Number of Goals on
offer for football matches.
We can work out Exact Goal odds from the combined odds of
Correct Scores, but the normal C/S market gets as far as the
score of 3-3 and then bunches odds together for scores above
The effect of that is that we can only work out accurate
combined odds for No goal, 1 goal, 2 goals or 3 goals.
Anything bigger than that, and we need to delve into the 2nd
Correct Score market that covers bigger scores.
Another problem is that unless we
look at big games, there can be big gaps between bet and lay
odds in Correct Score.
To get around those 2 problems, we can use the Under / Over
goals markets which usually have smaller gaps between bet and
For example :-
If you bet Under 1.5 goals and bet Over 2.5 goals, and you have
bet everything except 2 goals.
Using those 2 bits of information, we can work out the odds for
We can of course do the same for other exact numbers of goals.
If you look at enough Exact Goal
odds, it will quickly hit you between the eyes that the
favourite odds for most games are either for a 2 goals or 3
11 World Cup Qualifying games on September 5th, all had 2 goals
as the favourite outcome for their Exact Goals.
I was of the opinion that surely, all 11 games couldn't end with
a 2 goal score . . . . . . and not one of those 11 games did.
Here are the teams with results in brackets :-
Iraq-UAE (1-0), Congo-Ghana (1-5), Iran-Syria (2-2), Qatar-China
(1-2), Uzbeck-S. Korea (0--0), S. Africa-Cape Verde (1-2),
Congo-Tunisia (2-2), Ivory Coast-Gabon (1-2), Saudi-Jordan
(1-0), Burkina-Senegal (2-2), Egypt-Uganda (1-0).
Unfortunately, results don't always favour laying . . . Lol.
It takes a very strong favourite
team to cause Exact Goal favourite odds to hit 4.0 goals or
I have yet to see a game with the favourite being 1 goal or zero
Another maybe more obvious observation is that not a lot of
games finish with a 2 or 3 goals result.
That observation looked very promising in early season results,
but as teams have played one another, management appear to have
worked out how to counter new players and promoted teams, so
recent results have favoured 1, 2 and 3 goal results in my
The best that I have managed to
get out of Exact Goal odds so far is that it may help with game
Look at any market and we get an idea of what that market
expects will happen.
A prime example is Match Odds . . . . . . I expect that we all
look at Match Odds first if we are about to trade a football
If you could then get an indication of how many goals the
markets expect, that might be very helpful, especially if you
are an Over / Under goals trader, BTTS trader, Lay The Draw LTD
trader, or even if you Ad-Lib your way through a game in Correct
My new "Exact Goals" calculator
on my Free Calculators web page
provides that information.
A video describes what to do.
Good luck with your footy trades,
October 2017. ELS
Expected Losing Sequence
I uploaded a small sheet for estimating the longest losing
sequence that we can expect from a series of bets.
If you keep records of your trades, or like to work things out
before trying a new strategy, that calculator may give you an
idea of what to expect from your winning strike rate.
Give it a test drive here
on my Free Calculators web page.
I came across the E.L.S. formula
quite some time ago whilst surfing the Internet, but there
wasn't an on-line calculator on there, just this Excel formula
Yes, that was pretty meaningless
to me as well, but there was an explanation that it uses
Logarithms, ( the LN bit ), and that n = Number of races and SR
= Strike rate.
All I needed to do was work out the Strike rate bit and the
formula worked a treat in Excel.
All nice and simple . . . Lol.
I've added a bit of Profit & Loss
underneath the ELS calculation to make my on-line version a bit
Starting Bank Example.
Your research shows that your selection method hit 60 winners in
You decide to bet each of your runners with £10 level stakes,
using a Starting Bank that would cover twice your Expected
100 bets that hit 60 winners gives an E.L.S of 5.026.
If you decide on a Starting Bank of twice your E.L.S., multiply
5.026 x 2 = 10.05 x your basic stake of £10 = a Bank of £100.52.
Now if you hit 5 consecutive losers, you lose half your bank,
-£50, so hopefully live to
fight another day.
A Starting Bank of three times your E.L.S. would be 3 x 5.026 x
stakes of £10 = a Bank of £150.78.
As always, good luck with your trades,
2017. Lay The Draw exit strategy but with insurance
against a very late goal.
If we have layed the Draw, the odds have not lengthened after
the first goal and
we are using my
to exit the
trade, we could have a big lay liability against a Draw outcome.
I have updated my video to show
how to get rid of that very large Draw liability in the last few
minutes of a game if the score is still 1-0 or 0-1.
Take a look at video 2 underneath the LTD calculator
on my Free Calculators web page
at about 11:45 minutes into
that 2nd video.
Instead of laying the Winning
Team to break even, lay a bit less just after the first goal.
Laying a bit less than the break even amount will; leave a bit
of spare cash that can be used to lay the Winning Team or even
the Current Score if you like, very late in the game at very
Drag the "Time Line" slider at the bottom of the 2nd video to
about 11:45 minutes to see that.
Note that if your 2nd goal is
scored well into the 2nd half and you have only one "Matched"
lay on the Winning Team, you may still have problems as the odds
of your 2 teams will probably be too big for an ok exit.
Whatever we do if trading just within Betfair, there is always a
risk of a red trade somewhere, no-matter what strategy we
A goal at the "wrong time", or by the "wrong team", is a risk
with these LTD trades.
Good luck with your LTD trades,
One Point Lay staking plan.
I have uploaded Youtube videos for One Point staking plans - - -
- a lay staking plan, and a bet staking plan.
Both staking plans are
now available on
my Staking Plans web page.
Just to liven things up a bit, you
can test drive the laying
spreadsheet on-line for a short time on this web page :-
One Point Lay staking plan on-line - - - - give it a test
I will remove that "Free Trial" web
page in a few days time.
Bang a few odds into that free sheet by using the up & down
arrows of your keyboard to navigate vertically.
By using your Up & Down arrow keys, you will avoid having to step through each input cell in
Try a few different win / lose sequences and different lay odds.
That should give you some idea of how the staking works and what
the sheet can do in the profit & loss column.
I have had these sheets for quite
some time and had some success with them..
Liabilities can get a bit intimidating if results go against us.
If you use this laying sheet, keep your eye on the "What if potential
Bank" column, and don't be afraid to stop and start afresh from
scratch if things start to look expensive.
To make this work, you will need a source of decent lays.
In my experience, those are just as hard to find as a source of
I will probably remove that
page in about a week's time, perhaps next Friday, October 6th or
As always, good luck, and enjoy
your free test drive
of this sheet,
2017. A Graph showing Ticks not Odds.
Now for something very simple, but a little more adventurous.
We must have all looked at Betfair graphs, and also used trading
software at some point showing Grid & Ladder with graphs.
There must be
a another way of looking at that aspect of trading that shows
how odds interact.
Consider a few lines on a graph,
each tracking the odds of a different horse in a horse race.
We can expect to see separate lines, one above the other with
those at the bottom showing short odds, and lines for runners at
bigger odds above those.
If all the odds were to set off from the same point, we could
get a far better picture of which is going up and which are
going down, but lots of runners would just show as a jumble of
lines, which would be of little use.
One answer is to look at just a few runners, rather than the
How can we show different odds
setting off from the same point on a graph ?
Simple, plot something else, other than the odds.
How about plotting the number of Ticks up & down at regular
intervals as the odds change, after all, we all aim for a tick
or 2 of profit whatever size odds we choose to trade, so
track the Ticks, not the Odds.
So, follow this link and
take a look at a Ticks Graph on a web page.
Unfortunately, I don't have the technical expertise to attach
live odds to my spreadsheets, let alone my web pages, so the
on-line spreadsheet on that web page needs manual input of the
odds of your runners.
I still have one foot in the computer stone age I'm afraid.
I show quite a dramatic example
on there using genuine odds from a horse race.
Don't expect all races to produce such a good pattern, but spend
a bit of time mucking about with that, and you may see a bit of
potential in that on-line spreadsheet.
Input a few races and see what you think,
2017. Lay The Draw exit strategy for Match Odds
I have uploaded an on-line calculator for Dutching Match Odds.
To make that a bit more interesting, I have added notes and a
video for an
LTD exit strategy for games in which the outsider of the 2 teams
scores first and the Draw odds don't lengthen.
I expect that most of us have been in that situation.
This strategy offers a way out.
My on-line calculator can be used to show the staking.
I used that exit method successfully for quite a few trades before I noticed
the potential for a red trade if things don't go according to
A couple of videos describe the calculator and the exit
Good luck if that persuades you to have another go at a few old LTD
2017. Free calculators web page up and running.
I have made a start with 3 on-line calculators on
a new Free Calculators web page.
I have others in my pipeline, but those 3 will do for starters.
border around the first one because I couldn't get the border
right. . . . New technology and all that.
My intention is to put a strategy or 2 up that may involve one
or more of my on-line spreadsheets.
As I add more on-line sheets, some
will suit more than one purpose. . . . a Dutching sheet for
You will be able to use one or 2 of the ones that will be coming
later, for ideas of your own I would expect.
These will be sheets that I have built for my own use, so if you
get to grips with them, they might be ok for you as well.
There may be one or 2 more easy sheets covering simple topics,
but after that, things will get more complicated ..... Lol.
As always, good luck . . . . especially if you have a go with these on-line sheets,
29th July 2017 On-line FREE calculators.
Apologies for not posting anything on here for quite some time.
I have still been busy with spreadsheets, but haven't been
inspired to put anything up on here.
Just recently, I've been looking at
putting some free on-line calculators on my web sites.
I hope to make a start on that in the next week or 2, starting
with some simple stuff before expanding things, maybe with a few
different strategies for football & horses plus a calculator to
show the staking, as those 2 sports are what interest me most.
My experience of free on-line
calculators is that things look a bit boring with plenty of free
calculators available for working out the staking for bookie
sign-ups and free bets, or returns from betting multiples with a
bookie, etc., . . . . you know how it goes.
I am looking to liven things up a bit with free calculators that
cover other topics.
I may chuck in my version of a bookie refund calculator at some
point, but I see little point in repeating what is already
My aim is to put something up that you probably haven't seen
before, and that may be used on a regular basis.
Don't expect to see a simple hedging or Dutching sheet.
I intend to put up calculators that show a bit of imaginative
staking, so I hope you will come back here or visit my web sites
to see how things progress.
To get this up and running, I
have to get used to a bit of new technology, so expect my
on-line calculators to start off with a few basic calculators
before we move on to more complicated stuff.
Some calculators will be ok with a few lines of text for an
explanation, but others will need a video.
As always, good luck with your trades, Howard.
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